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本帖最后由 Qingshi 于 2013-10-31 18:40 编辑

感谢双筒兄转发这篇文章,让我们听到了另一种声音,这不是坏事。

但就这篇文章本身来说,缺乏基本的思辨和常识,用“脑残奇文”描述颇为贴切。

文章主要的论点无非有二:1、童言无忌 ; 2、中国人说了无数次“杀掉美国人”, 其它的漏洞也很多,我不去扯远的,就只针对这两点说说:

1、童言无忌
我不用去查字典也知道这个词的意思,但不要忘了这“童言”必须是小孩子无意间有感而发才能“无忌”。ABC的节目,不是直播,事先有团队写脚本,主持人鸡米对现场有掌控和引导,可以说童言出自成人的教唆,为赢收视率也罢,开玩笑也罢,这肯定不属“无忌”之列。 说童言无忌的,须恶补中学语文,别在这儿望文生义丢人。 如果还不明白,举个更浅的例子: 小孩子不懂事,说邻居大妈长得像猪,这是童言无忌; 你在家里教好了孩子去说邻居大妈长得像猪, 这是恶意辱骂。

2、中国人说了无数次“杀掉美国人”
看看文中“纸老虎”的招贴画是什么年代?特殊的年代有特殊现象。 那时候还说“读书越多越反动”,“毛主席一句顶一万句”,现在有谁会信?当前中国说要打美国、杀美国人的言论是有,但哪个是在主流媒体上堂而皇之地全国播放的? 湖南卫视还是江苏卫视? 退一万步说,即使国内有这样的现象,也不能成为ABC辱华的理由。 就像杀人犯不能说“我杀人是因为隔壁镇还有其他的人也杀人”一样。这个道理,难道还不够浅显?

至于美国华人对ABC事件的反应是表现了“ 外籍华人的被扭曲,脆弱的心理。也是共产党60年教育和统治的最大成功!”,这么深奥的推理我实在没有智商去理解。  前面文章不是说共产党的教育是要横扫美帝吗?怎么海外华人为了自己的一点尊严和权利刚说了一点责备美国大鼻子的话,就被人说心理扭曲脆弱了呢?

今天实在太忙,但还忍不住说了这些,醒醒吧,“智者”们。





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wolflj98 发表于 2013-10-31 14:37
双筒兄所言甚是。

那是双筒兄转的,可不是他说的。我想双筒兄不会持完全相同的观点的。
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双筒 发表于 2013-10-31 22:55
嗯,如果您说当时的情况是JK根本没想到小孩会冒出这么一句,只是因为说的是中国人,无所谓,没加以制止。 ...

我转一下喜蛙贴出的东西来供你参考。@happyfrog

This is not a live show, not spontaneous improvision by children, they have scripts written by professionals, so it is a staged and directed play just like a small movie, everything they said was intentionally designed, not children's innocent comments. The group of script writters hired by them include:

Gary Greenberg, Writer;
Molly McNearney, Writer;
Tony Barbieri, Writer;
Jonathan Bines, Writer;
Sal Iacono, Writer;
Jimmy Kimmel, Writer;
Rick Rosner, Writer;
Danny Ricker, Writer;
Eric Immerman, Writer;
Jeff Loveness, Writer;
Josh Halloway, Writer;
Bess Kalb, Writer;
Joelle Boucai, Writer;
Bryan Paulk, Writer

http://www.emmys.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live

What It's Like to Write For a Late Night Talk Show

http://splitsider.com/2013/10/what-its-like-to-write-for-a-late

Comedy is an industry. For every performer on stage, there are hundreds of
people working behind-the-scenes. These creative and business jobs, which
exist in all disciplines and levels of comedy, collectively make up the
comedy scene. In this column, we're looking a comedy jobs that are less
visible than that of a performer, and talking to the people who do those
jobs about what they do, how they got there, and how that job has affected
their perspective on comedy.
The past year has brought a crop of new late night talk shows to television,
and that means more opportunities for late night writers. One of the most
sought after comedy writing jobs in the industry, there’s no set route to
becoming a late night writer. Many develop their voices in standup, sketch,
and acting, while others hone their skills in online videos. The Daily Show
’s Elliot Kalan began as an intern at the show, serving as a production
assistant before applying for his writing job, while Jimmy Kimmel Live head
writer Molly McNearney began as an assistant to the show's executive
producer.
The practical path to becoming a comedy writer is much the same as most
writing jobs. "The best piece of advice I have, and it's the simplest, is
just to write," McNearney told Splitsider. "I think a lot of people say they
want to be a writer, but you actually look at their day, and they're not
writing." Being deeply involved the comedy scene, or already working for a
show, are the best ways to find out about job openings, and from there, the
next step is writing a packet of jokes that are appropriate for that
particular show. Nikki and Sara Live co-host Sara Schaefer's tips on looking
for a late night job and actually applying for the gig provide great
insight into the application process.

For a creative job, working on a late night show is fairly structured. But
each show, whether weekly or daily, requires it own specific organization
and routine. On TBS’s Conan, for instance, the show’s writers are divided
into separate teams of monologue and sketch writers. “Our day is a series
of deadlines for turning in what we term "batches" of jokes (because we're
Keebler Elves) and meetings with our team and Conan to winnow down the joke-
herd,” said Rob Kutner, a monologue writer at the show. On the sketch side,
the ideas can be so last minute that "by 11 o'clock, there's a few ideas,"
said writer/director Scott Gairdner. "Writers are dispatched to work on some
of those ideas, and hopefully you have some version of it somehow
miraculously together by 1:30, when the rehearsal starts."

It’s a very different style at ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live. “Every writer is
responsible for writing monologue jokes,” McNearney said, adding that, “
most nights, each writer usually has an assignment for a celebrity guest
coming on the show who wants to do a comedy bit [...] I would say Jimmy
Kimmel Live is known in the industry for putting together really smart,
funny pieces for their guests.” That show also employs four Clip
Researchers, who’s sole job is to watch TV and pull clips.

Over at Comedy Central, The Daily Show writers are responsible for
monitoring their relevant television channels. “When you’re not working on
a particular assignment, you’re watching the news and looking on the
internet for stories to pitch, or angles to pitch on stories on larger news
stories,” said Kalan. “So we all know that there is a government shut down
happening right now, so you wouldn’t write a pitch that was like, ‘Hey,
we should write about the government shut down!’ But if you came up of an
angle for it, you would pitch it.” And each show’s focus determines the
basic research; at MTV’s pop culture heavy Nikki and Sara Live, says writer
Emmy Blotnick, “we meet in the morning to talk about whatever things Miley
Cyrus has dry humped, and then we usually break off and start putting
scripts together for different parts of the show.”
And writing for a regular television show is not quite as free-wheeling as
many imagine. “Working here as a writer is not everybody sitting in one
room and tossing out crazy ideas at each other,” Kalan said. “I think
there’s this feeling that comedy writing works the same way that it did
during The Show of Shows, where they where just sitting in a room acting out
characters and making stuff up.” Gairdner agreed. “I think a lot of
people would be surprised at how much it is less sitting in a room and
joking and figuring out ideas and more sending out emails, telling people
how big the green screen needs to be and that kind of thing.” The biggest
misconception, according to The Daily show’s Zhubin Parang, is “probably
the 30 Rock-suggested idea that we're all schlumpy early-20 slackers who pee
in jars. Most of us are married, and we're generally all social, put-
together people. I've got a plant on my desk and everything.”

Inevitably, working long hours on comedy will change a writer’s perspective
on the genre. “I'm a tougher comedy audience – some might say ‘a dick’,
” said Kutner. “You see and hear so many types and just so MUCH funny all
day long, it takes something just way more insane to really tickle me. And
because of the factory-like nature of what we do, I've usually had my fill
of comedy by days' end.”
But churning out material at such a rate invariably improves its quality in
the long run. “The more you write, especially the more you write comedy,
the less it becomes like this mysterious process that you’re trying to
capture,” Kalan said. “After years of doing it professionally, instead of
staring at it and hoping for some inspiration, it becomes much more of a
systematic process than, ‘Oh well. I guess I’ll sit here until the back of
my brain thinks of something and tells me what it is.’”

“The big thing I've learned is the importance of hard jokes,” said Parang.
“I think in improv and sketch comedy, especially the kind done around New
York, there's a tendency to be intellectual and absurd, which plays well
with the hard-core comedy audiences here (including me), but TV moves way
too fast for that. You need to hit jokes hard and often, and not just trust
that a general comedic concept will be enough to power a segment.”

“I got my start making videos on YouTube,” said Gairdner, who works
primarily on video sketches for Conan. “My speed was approximately one
three-minute video every two months, because I would agonize over every
choice. But now, having made a lot of things for YouTube and a lot of things
for Conan, I've started to get a better perspective on what are the
important fights to fight and what things to let go.”
Although late night talk shows are are amongst the oldest, and in many ways,
most stable formats on television, they have have also had to adapt swiftly
to the new media landscape. For one thing, late night shows no longer exist
exclusively in their time slots. "12:30 late night is not a 12:30 show
anymore,” former Late Night with Jimmy Fallon writer Anthony Jeselnik told
Splitsider last year. “It’s a 24-hour show now, because everything is
online the next day.” And shows now must contend with more competition on
television and the Internet. “I'm envious of people who got to work on
these shows 20 years ago, when there were a quarter as many of these shows,
and there weren't all of these websites too, because you're just constantly
competing against other shows and them getting to the idea first,” said
Gairdner. “Topicality and the shelf life of parody targets is getting
slimmer and slimmer because there a thousand of these shows, all waiting to
jump on something and parody it.”
For many writers, that breakneck schedule is both the best and worst part of
the gig. "It is a real grind, but every day is a new day," said McNearney.
"Your successes are short lived, but then so are your failures. So you can
have a great bit on the show and you can really enjoy it for about an hour
and then you have to start thinking about tomorrow's show. But if you didn't
do that well, that's also short lived and you have the next day to prove
yourself."

"Every job is a job and it stops being magical after a moment," said Kalan.
"And you have to remind yourself like, no, this is really amazing. Things
that seem magical or impossible to you become mundane reality. You lose
perspective and you get lost in the non-amazing parts of things and you
forget how amazing comedy is or how lucky anyone who gets to do it is."

Elise Czajkowski is an Associate Editor at Splitsider. She promises to start
tweeting more.
Photo via Getty.
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GTI 发表于 2013-10-31 22:17
完全不能接受双筒转的这篇文章!作者已经萎缩到不能再萎缩了
按照这个逻辑,可以把所有老人都杀了,就不 ...

一方面是小孩把饼啃成枪形状就要受惩罚,一方面是诱导小孩说这种暴力和种族仇恨的话。我觉得用心很险恶!

这句话说得很精辟!
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本帖最后由 Qingshi 于 2013-11-1 06:44 编辑

我当时看了这个,也觉得红字的部分非常让人思考。 居安思危,有些危险,其实离我们或我们的子孙并不遥远。
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双筒 发表于 2013-10-31 22:48
中文里管侵略者叫“鬼子”,管帮助侵略者的叫“汉奸”,您说作为一个美国人,在美国的国土上,您选哪个? ...

关于中美开战,美籍中国人到底该帮谁这个话题已经做死了,这里就不要再讨论了吧。

同时说一下,“汉奸”直译是“汉民族里的奸人”。忘了华人根本的才称得上是汉奸的。
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既然大家都同意此论题已经做死,我把贴锁了。谢谢大家的参与讨论。
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