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大家说了那么多, 有的讨论很有深度。 这里跳出来看一下这个事件吧, 下面4点是最浅显和最易理解的了。

事件本身是有公共主流媒体播出了侮辱了蔑视华人的节目。
1、媒体是否在开玩笑?---这个不重要, 即使是玩笑, 开这样的玩笑也是对华人的侮辱。
2、华人是否反映过激?----在这个种族皮肤颜色非常敏感的国度,其它任何种族都没有受到这样的待遇, 或者遭受这样待遇的都起来抗议, 让作孽者受到了惩罚。 现在华人要求的道歉等要求能算过分和过敏?
3、华人提出的诉求达到目的了又有什么用?----不是说要求达到能怎么样, 最重要的是释放一个信号:”在美华人是有自尊、能团结、有头脑的人群, 不是任人蹂躏的懦夫和散沙。 目的让美国看到华人的力量, 同类的事件不要发生。 退一万步说, 即使这样的请愿抗议完全没有达到预期目的, 做了总比没做强吧?
4、美籍华人是应该帮美国还是中国。 这其实是个无关论题。   “杀死所有中国人”里可没有区分美籍华人或 外籍华人。

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嗯,对某些国人说一句:

自抗议,干卿何事?
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This is not a live show, not spontaneous improvision by children, they have scripts written by professionals, so it is a staged and directed play just like a small movie, everything they said was intentionally designed, not children's innocent comments. The group of script writters hired by them include:

Gary Greenberg, Writer;
Molly McNearney, Writer;
Tony Barbieri, Writer;
Jonathan Bines, Writer;
Sal Iacono, Writer;
Jimmy Kimmel, Writer;
Rick Rosner, Writer;
Danny Ricker, Writer;
Eric Immerman, Writer;
Jeff Loveness, Writer;
Josh Halloway, Writer;
Bess Kalb, Writer;
Joelle Boucai, Writer;
Bryan Paulk, Writer

http://www.emmys.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live

What It's Like to Write For a Late Night Talk Show

http://splitsider.com/2013/10/what-its-like-to-write-for-a-late

Comedy is an industry. For every performer on stage, there are hundreds of
people working behind-the-scenes. These creative and business jobs, which
exist in all disciplines and levels of comedy, collectively make up the
comedy scene. In this column, we're looking a comedy jobs that are less
visible than that of a performer, and talking to the people who do those
jobs about what they do, how they got there, and how that job has affected
their perspective on comedy.
The past year has brought a crop of new late night talk shows to television,
and that means more opportunities for late night writers. One of the most
sought after comedy writing jobs in the industry, there’s no set route to
becoming a late night writer. Many develop their voices in standup, sketch,
and acting, while others hone their skills in online videos. The Daily Show
’s Elliot Kalan began as an intern at the show, serving as a production
assistant before applying for his writing job, while Jimmy Kimmel Live head
writer Molly McNearney began as an assistant to the show's executive
producer.
The practical path to becoming a comedy writer is much the same as most
writing jobs. "The best piece of advice I have, and it's the simplest, is
just to write," McNearney told Splitsider. "I think a lot of people say they
want to be a writer, but you actually look at their day, and they're not
writing." Being deeply involved the comedy scene, or already working for a
show, are the best ways to find out about job openings, and from there, the
next step is writing a packet of jokes that are appropriate for that
particular show. Nikki and Sara Live co-host Sara Schaefer's tips on looking
for a late night job and actually applying for the gig provide great
insight into the application process.

For a creative job, working on a late night show is fairly structured. But
each show, whether weekly or daily, requires it own specific organization
and routine. On TBS’s Conan, for instance, the show’s writers are divided
into separate teams of monologue and sketch writers. “Our day is a series
of deadlines for turning in what we term "batches" of jokes (because we're
Keebler Elves) and meetings with our team and Conan to winnow down the joke-
herd,” said Rob Kutner, a monologue writer at the show. On the sketch side,
the ideas can be so last minute that "by 11 o'clock, there's a few ideas,"
said writer/director Scott Gairdner. "Writers are dispatched to work on some
of those ideas, and hopefully you have some version of it somehow
miraculously together by 1:30, when the rehearsal starts."

It’s a very different style at ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live. “Every writer is
responsible for writing monologue jokes,” McNearney said, adding that, “
most nights, each writer usually has an assignment for a celebrity guest
coming on the show who wants to do a comedy bit [...] I would say Jimmy
Kimmel Live is known in the industry for putting together really smart,
funny pieces for their guests.” That show also employs four Clip
Researchers, who’s sole job is to watch TV and pull clips.

Over at Comedy Central, The Daily Show writers are responsible for
monitoring their relevant television channels. “When you’re not working on
a particular assignment, you’re watching the news and looking on the
internet for stories to pitch, or angles to pitch on stories on larger news
stories,” said Kalan. “So we all know that there is a government shut down
happening right now, so you wouldn’t write a pitch that was like, ‘Hey,
we should write about the government shut down!’ But if you came up of an
angle for it, you would pitch it.” And each show’s focus determines the
basic research; at MTV’s pop culture heavy Nikki and Sara Live, says writer
Emmy Blotnick, “we meet in the morning to talk about whatever things Miley
Cyrus has dry humped, and then we usually break off and start putting
scripts together for different parts of the show.”
And writing for a regular television show is not quite as free-wheeling as
many imagine. “Working here as a writer is not everybody sitting in one
room and tossing out crazy ideas at each other,” Kalan said. “I think
there’s this feeling that comedy writing works the same way that it did
during The Show of Shows, where they where just sitting in a room acting out
characters and making stuff up.” Gairdner agreed. “I think a lot of
people would be surprised at how much it is less sitting in a room and
joking and figuring out ideas and more sending out emails, telling people
how big the green screen needs to be and that kind of thing.” The biggest
misconception, according to The Daily show’s Zhubin Parang, is “probably
the 30 Rock-suggested idea that we're all schlumpy early-20 slackers who pee
in jars. Most of us are married, and we're generally all social, put-
together people. I've got a plant on my desk and everything.”

Inevitably, working long hours on comedy will change a writer’s perspective
on the genre. “I'm a tougher comedy audience – some might say ‘a dick’,
” said Kutner. “You see and hear so many types and just so MUCH funny all
day long, it takes something just way more insane to really tickle me. And
because of the factory-like nature of what we do, I've usually had my fill
of comedy by days' end.”
But churning out material at such a rate invariably improves its quality in
the long run. “The more you write, especially the more you write comedy,
the less it becomes like this mysterious process that you’re trying to
capture,” Kalan said. “After years of doing it professionally, instead of
staring at it and hoping for some inspiration, it becomes much more of a
systematic process than, ‘Oh well. I guess I’ll sit here until the back of
my brain thinks of something and tells me what it is.’”

“The big thing I've learned is the importance of hard jokes,” said Parang.
“I think in improv and sketch comedy, especially the kind done around New
York, there's a tendency to be intellectual and absurd, which plays well
with the hard-core comedy audiences here (including me), but TV moves way
too fast for that. You need to hit jokes hard and often, and not just trust
that a general comedic concept will be enough to power a segment.”

“I got my start making videos on YouTube,” said Gairdner, who works
primarily on video sketches for Conan. “My speed was approximately one
three-minute video every two months, because I would agonize over every
choice. But now, having made a lot of things for YouTube and a lot of things
for Conan, I've started to get a better perspective on what are the
important fights to fight and what things to let go.”
Although late night talk shows are are amongst the oldest, and in many ways,
most stable formats on television, they have have also had to adapt swiftly
to the new media landscape. For one thing, late night shows no longer exist
exclusively in their time slots. "12:30 late night is not a 12:30 show
anymore,” former Late Night with Jimmy Fallon writer Anthony Jeselnik told
Splitsider last year. “It’s a 24-hour show now, because everything is
online the next day.” And shows now must contend with more competition on
television and the Internet. “I'm envious of people who got to work on
these shows 20 years ago, when there were a quarter as many of these shows,
and there weren't all of these websites too, because you're just constantly
competing against other shows and them getting to the idea first,” said
Gairdner. “Topicality and the shelf life of parody targets is getting
slimmer and slimmer because there a thousand of these shows, all waiting to
jump on something and parody it.”
For many writers, that breakneck schedule is both the best and worst part of
the gig. "It is a real grind, but every day is a new day," said McNearney.
"Your successes are short lived, but then so are your failures. So you can
have a great bit on the show and you can really enjoy it for about an hour
and then you have to start thinking about tomorrow's show. But if you didn't
do that well, that's also short lived and you have the next day to prove
yourself."

"Every job is a job and it stops being magical after a moment," said Kalan.
"And you have to remind yourself like, no, this is really amazing. Things
that seem magical or impossible to you become mundane reality. You lose
perspective and you get lost in the non-amazing parts of things and you
forget how amazing comedy is or how lucky anyone who gets to do it is."

Elise Czajkowski is an Associate Editor at Splitsider. She promises to start
tweeting more.
Photo via Getty.

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This is not a live show, not spontaneous improvision by children, they have scripts written by profe ...

嗯, 这就更恶劣。

我的观点是不管是否预先安排, 把这个节目播出来就是挑衅和蔑视!
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Hetzer 发表于 2013-10-28 16:04
嗯,对某些国人说一句:

我自抗议他,干卿何事?

每个人都可以有自己的观点。 从我的角度, 只是我个人还不能理解和认同”不应该去抗议“这个观点。
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Qingshi 发表于 2013-10-28 14:12
嗯, 这就更恶劣。

我的观点是不管是否预先安排, 把这个节目播出来就是挑衅和蔑视! ...

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每个人都可以有自己的观点。 从我的角度, 只是我个人还不能理解和认同”不应该去抗议“这个观点。  ...

一些人习惯了被阉割,养成了主动阉割的习惯,然后希望阉割别人。
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就得让某些知道有些话不能乱讲!这说白了不关政治什么事,说到底就是个听着不舒服,不舒服的最根本原因就是有些美国媒体和政客从心底里的轻视甚至是歧视华人。

当美军绕到地球那一头把所有中国人都杀光的时候,那个美国华人没有个在中国亲戚朋友不被株连的?除非你们家九族都移民美国,连祖坟牌位一起移民了。

虽然从国际法上美军不可能这么做,但是美国媒体蹿拢着一小屁孩,照着编剧的台词在那里指着你家祖坟放屁,任谁心里都不爽吧?

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楼上几位说的都很好,我掺乎几句

华人提出的诉求达到目的了又有什么用?

达到100%目的或者达到部分目的,都
  • 或多或少地弘扬了华人的政治地位。
  • 团结了华人。
  • 同时在这个行使宪法赋予我们的集会,言论自由的权利的机会中,在和多方面交涉(包括政府,ABC等)的过程中,我们锻炼了我们思考,交流,利用各种合法途径争取自身权利的能力。

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本帖最后由 Hetzer 于 2013-10-28 15:41 编辑
Qingshi 发表于 2013-10-28 14:13
每个人都可以有自己的观点。 从我的角度, 只是我个人还不能理解和认同”不应该去抗议“这个观点。  ...

那种或者就是纯装B,或者就是以抬杠为乐的。
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This is not a live show, not spontaneous improvision by children, they have scripts written by profe ...

原来是这样,看来我是too simple,sometimes naive
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我看问题很简单, 只要把chinese换成black 或latino, 如果媒体敢这么说,那就不是歧视,如果不敢,那就是歧视。
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titabonbon 发表于 2013-10-28 16:46
我看问题很简单, 只要把chinese换成black 或latino, 如果媒体敢这么说,那就不是歧视,如果不敢,那就是歧 ...

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那个节目里说的是 “kill everyone in China”,这个算不算搞 mass murder?

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很明确!
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楼上几位说的都很好,我掺乎几句

华人提出的诉求达到目的了又有什么用?

至少表达了我们对应有权利的不放弃
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这算啥 跟mass murder 不沾边
Comedian George Carlin 数落白人 美国人 比这个厉害多了 依照咱这反应 美国人应该把他给剐了 严肃话题里没有比George牛的Comedian
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这算啥 跟mass murder 不沾边
Comedian George Carlin 数落白人 美国人 比这个厉害多了 依照咱这反应 美国 ...

拜托,CABLE和PUBLIC频道所要遵守的界限是不一样的。黑人间还互相N来N去呢,你N一个试试看?
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