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[刀枪杂谈] 加州“大”容量弹匣 Test to Determine Constitutionality

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本帖最后由 whatcat 于 2020-8-15 18:36 编辑

以下内容复制从TFB, 有兴趣的可以去原文看:https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/08/14/9th-circuit-strikes-down-californias-ban-on-standard-capacity-magazines/

首先结论:不能交易(可以下单但是不能送出),除非Benitez或者第九巡回法院把因Becerra上诉而下的stay解除掉。
As I mentioned, in March of last year the Hon. Judge Benitez struck down California’s ban on standard-capacity magazines resulting in Freedom Week. That ruling was stayed (legalese for “made not legally binding”) at the end of that week after California, represented by Xavier Becerra in his official capacity as the Attorney General of California, appealed Benitez’s ruling.
The lawsuit of course didn’t end there, it just slowly moved on through the court system. The wheels of justice grind slowly indeed. But we got here eventually, and that’s what matters. In an 81 page ruling, the 9th Circuit Court has held that Section 32310 does not survive a two-pronged test to determine it’s constitutionality.
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Sales are currently on hold, as the order issued by Judge Benitez in 2019 is still in effect. What happens next depends on AG Becerra, who has yet to issue a statement as of writing. He may request an en banc hearing from the 9th Circuit. This means they will ask that the 9th Circuit rehear the case with a panel of 11 judges, instead of the original panel of 3. The results of that hearing will determine whether or not Californians can continue to purchase standard capacity magazines.
In the meantime, either the 9th Circuit or Judge Benitez could lift the stay on the injunction. This would allow Californians to buy standard-capacity magazines again. Neither has done so yet.


有兴趣的可以了解一下第九巡回法院是如何得出反宪法的结论的:
Two-prong Test to Determine Constitutionality
I’m about to get into the weeds on the legal aspects of this case, so if you’re not interested in that you may want to skip to the section marked WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. The first prong asks, does this law burden conduct protected by the Second Amendment? California argued that § 32310 does not burden lawful Second Amendment conduct. While this would seem to be a simple argument, the 9th Circuit uses a four-question test to determine if the law burdens citizens. I know, I know, tests all the way down right? I promise it’s really fairly easy once it gets broken down. Here’s how the Court’s inquiry goes.
  • Is this law a burden on conduct protected by the Second Amendment?
    • Does it regulate “arms” for the purpose of the Second Amendment?
    • Does it regulate an arm that is both unusual and dangerous?
    • Is this regulation long-standing and presumed lawful?
    • Is there any persuasive historical evidence showing that this regulation affects rights that fall outside the scope of the Second Amendment?
  • What is the appropriate level of Constitutional scrutiny?
    • How “close” does this challenged law come to the core rights of citizens?
    • Does this law impose substantial burdens on this core right?

The First Prong
Alright so maybe not super easy. But at least coherent. So, let’s follow the Court’s reasoning in order. Are magazines “arms” for the purpose of the Second Amendment? Yes. As the court says, without a magazine, “many weapons would be useless, including “quintessential” self-defense weapons like the handgun.” Easy enough. Are “Large Capacity Magazines” (what we would call standard capacity) unusual and dangerous? No, as the Court says they are in common use and therefore cannot be unusual, ending this line of inquiry. Remember, an arm must be both unusual and dangerous for a ban to apply. Since LCMs are not unusual, they cannot be both unusual and dangerous.
On to the third question. Is this regulation long-standing and presumed lawful? Courts tend to give a lot of credence to the idea that if a law has survived for a long time, it should be presumed Constitutional. Whether or not you agree with this analysis, it is a facet of how courts decide cases. It is also at times frustratingly arbitrary. However, the court found that Section 32310 was not considered long-standing, having only appeared in the last 30 years.
And the fourth and final question in the first half of the test, is there any persuasive historical evidence showing that “large” capacity magazines fall outside Second Amendment protection? The court also held that no, there is no such evidence.
Prong the Second
Now the court had to determine what was the appropriate level of Constitutional scrutiny to apply. For those who don’t know, courts can (generally speaking) apply one of three levels of scrutiny to a statute to determine if it is constitutional or not. In increasing order of difficulty for the law to be constitutional, they are rational-basis, intermediate, and strict.
The first question, does this law strike at a core right? Heller held that the “core” Second Amendment right is for law-abiding citizens to “defend hearth and home”. The court held that a ban on LCMs struck at this core right to defend hearth and home. The second question, is it a substantial burden on that right? Since the law categorically bans “arms” that are in common use to defend hearth and home, it is a substantial burden. Therefore, the correct level of scrutiny according to the 9th Circuit is strict scrutiny.
Strict scrutiny requires the government to prove that the challenged law or policy has a compelling government interest and that the law or policy is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest. The 9th Circuit did find the government interest compelling, but as Section 32310’s “scope is so sweeping that half of all magazines in America are now unlawful to own in California” it did not survive the “narrowly tailored” test.


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发表于 2020-8-15 14:54 | 只看该作者
字面上理解好像是这个意思。但是怎么有些网站已经开始寄加州了?比如botach/brownells。这两家上次也是最先往加州寄的。这些商家也有法律顾问的吧。。
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发表于 2020-8-15 15:34 | 只看该作者
看到另外一个新闻,说是 第九巡院已经 lifted the ban。
https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/co ... ines-in-california/
可能是高一级的法院可以lift低一级法院的stay或ban。
这或许就是一些网站已经往加州寄送10+弹匣的法理依据。
这个时候如果加州司法部长要想暂停,需要向第九巡院请求一个临时的stay/halt,以便加州司法部可以上诉最高法院。
整个过程跟地区联邦法院的经历类似。。。
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本帖最后由 whatcat 于 2020-8-15 18:36 编辑
maxsterling 发表于 2020-8-15 15:34
看到另外一个新闻,说是 第九巡院已经 lifted the ban。
https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/co ... ines-in-ca ...

不是,你发的链接中也说了stay没有被消除。

第九巡回是hold了Benitez 的ruling。
但是之前freedom week时因Becerra上诉而下的stay并未消除。
或许星期一会有消息,但是这边Becerra肯定有新动作。
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The panel affirmed the district court’s summary
judgment in favor of plaintiffs challenging California
Government Code § 31310, which bans possession of largecapacity magazines (“LCMs”) that hold more than ten
rounds of ammunition; and held that the ban violated the
Second Amendment.
这是說禁多于10发蛋匣违反第二修正法。所以是无效的。
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公不离婆,秤不离砣~
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手枪也可以有十发以上弹匣了吗?如果给手枪换了大弹匣还算是在加州手枪list上吗?
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donot 发表于 2020-8-16 14:53
手枪也可以有十发以上弹匣了吗?如果给手枪换了大弹匣还算是在加州手枪list上吗? ...

还不行呢。要等9th circuit en banc结果
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donot 发表于 2020-8-16 14:53
手枪也可以有十发以上弹匣了吗?如果给手枪换了大弹匣还算是在加州手枪list上吗? ...
  1. 如果给手枪换了大弹匣还算是在加州手枪list上吗?
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手枪名单只限治买新枪,不限治痈有。
外州带进加州的非Roaster 枪可以PPT(Private Party Transfer).



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@idee @sig226 谢谢!
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