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你要看他的回帖

结合他以前的言论 真出了事我看他一定是要作为美国人帮忙杀中国人的 ...

这个,这个结论下的很不严肃。
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结合他以前的言论 真出了事我看他一定是要作为美国人帮忙杀中国人的 ...

请不要针对个人下判断性的结论,这不利于大家讨论问题。
提醒注意一次。
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结合他以前的言论 真出了事我看他一定是要作为美国人帮忙杀中国人的 ...

中文里管侵略者叫“鬼子”,管帮助侵略者的叫“汉奸”,您说作为一个美国人,在美国的国土上,您选哪个?。。。
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我在14樓,給了一個鏈接。有多少人看了Kimmel主持節目的這一分鐘多的細節呢?
如果我們不就事實來討論,到 ...

嗯,如果您说当时的情况是JK根本没想到小孩会冒出这么一句,只是因为说的是中国人,无所谓,没加以制止。 我觉得有人说这可能是预先写好的台词,也许有道理,虽然看那个小孩儿不像是背台词。 这样解释就能说通为什么,这笑话是讽刺国会的无能和荒唐,犹如这孩子的话一样。 所以他可能有准备小孩会说类似的话。 至于这个玩笑是不是开过了,我前面说了这是主观上的,没法一致。 现在ABC知道了中国移民不能这样开玩笑了,不知道这样是对中国移民融入美国社会更有帮助呢,还是相反。。。
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双筒 发表于 2013-10-31 12:05
这笑话本身是个satire,好笑是因为it's exaggeration to the extreme,而且因为是孩子说的,用来讽刺无用的 ...

据说都有白人参加华人的示威游行了 你一定要留意这些人 这绝对属于在你光荣的为保卫祖国而战时可能在背后捅你刀子的自己人
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据说都有白人参加华人的示威游行了 你一定要留意这些人 这绝对属于在你光荣的为保卫祖国而战时可能在背后 ...

看看42楼。。。
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Qingshi 发表于 2013-10-31 13:22
感谢双筒兄转发这篇文章,让我们听到了另一种声音,这不是坏事。

但就这篇文章本身来说,缺乏基本的思辨和 ...

同意你的观点。但我没印象中国,或任何国家说要杀光或消灭美国人。要消灭的是美帝国主意,和美国要消灭德国纳粹一样。是消灭自认为邪恶的意识形态,而不是那些人。如果二战的目的,或宣传的目的是消灭德国人,任何德国血统的人,估计艾森豪威尔就不会是盟军司令,美国总统。

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稍微换个角度看 犹太人 黑人不好惹 有原因
犹太人在食物链顶端 有点像TG 掌握生产资料 但凡你有反犹苗头 封杀你 
黑人在底端 有事拿命来跟你干 参考加州骚乱 跟韩国人干
咱要有能力 通过电台几天能组织起武装来就算可以了 咱在黑人跟犹太人中间 还是比黑人还低 说不好就JK这个事游行啥的 不解决问题 不把持生产资料 没种跟JK拿命来 那咱就群体自保 让华人多武装武装先 以后给国内要来的人做外事培训 别说准备20刀现金等抢劫就给 说准备12GA 赶上抢劫就给一枪
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本帖最后由 kk58 于 2013-10-31 21:20 编辑
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据说都有白人参加华人的示威游行了 你一定要留意这些人 这绝对属于在你光荣的为保卫祖国而战时可能在背后 ...

NCL枪友,再次提醒一次,讨论问题不针对个人。每个人都有发表自己观点的权利和自由,不管你赞同还是不赞同,讨论就是思想和道理的辨明,在过程中大家都能获取有益的启迪。
有情绪大家可以理解,但是,如果把情绪化为针对个人人身或者行为进行指责与讥讽,是不能达到任何效果的,最终只会变成一场恶意的口水战。
这次还做为提醒,希望不要有下次。谢谢理解。
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NCL 发表于 2013-10-31 20:56
据说都有白人参加华人的示威游行了 你一定要留意这些人 这绝对属于在你光荣的为保卫祖国而战时可能在背后 ...

不要激动,激动你就上套了。
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双筒 发表于 2013-10-31 22:55
嗯,如果您说当时的情况是JK根本没想到小孩会冒出这么一句,只是因为说的是中国人,无所谓,没加以制止。 ...

我转一下喜蛙贴出的东西来供你参考。@happyfrog

This is not a live show, not spontaneous improvision by children, they have scripts written by professionals, so it is a staged and directed play just like a small movie, everything they said was intentionally designed, not children's innocent comments. The group of script writters hired by them include:

Gary Greenberg, Writer;
Molly McNearney, Writer;
Tony Barbieri, Writer;
Jonathan Bines, Writer;
Sal Iacono, Writer;
Jimmy Kimmel, Writer;
Rick Rosner, Writer;
Danny Ricker, Writer;
Eric Immerman, Writer;
Jeff Loveness, Writer;
Josh Halloway, Writer;
Bess Kalb, Writer;
Joelle Boucai, Writer;
Bryan Paulk, Writer

http://www.emmys.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live

What It's Like to Write For a Late Night Talk Show

http://splitsider.com/2013/10/what-its-like-to-write-for-a-late

Comedy is an industry. For every performer on stage, there are hundreds of
people working behind-the-scenes. These creative and business jobs, which
exist in all disciplines and levels of comedy, collectively make up the
comedy scene. In this column, we're looking a comedy jobs that are less
visible than that of a performer, and talking to the people who do those
jobs about what they do, how they got there, and how that job has affected
their perspective on comedy.
The past year has brought a crop of new late night talk shows to television,
and that means more opportunities for late night writers. One of the most
sought after comedy writing jobs in the industry, there’s no set route to
becoming a late night writer. Many develop their voices in standup, sketch,
and acting, while others hone their skills in online videos. The Daily Show
’s Elliot Kalan began as an intern at the show, serving as a production
assistant before applying for his writing job, while Jimmy Kimmel Live head
writer Molly McNearney began as an assistant to the show's executive
producer.
The practical path to becoming a comedy writer is much the same as most
writing jobs. "The best piece of advice I have, and it's the simplest, is
just to write," McNearney told Splitsider. "I think a lot of people say they
want to be a writer, but you actually look at their day, and they're not
writing." Being deeply involved the comedy scene, or already working for a
show, are the best ways to find out about job openings, and from there, the
next step is writing a packet of jokes that are appropriate for that
particular show. Nikki and Sara Live co-host Sara Schaefer's tips on looking
for a late night job and actually applying for the gig provide great
insight into the application process.

For a creative job, working on a late night show is fairly structured. But
each show, whether weekly or daily, requires it own specific organization
and routine. On TBS’s Conan, for instance, the show’s writers are divided
into separate teams of monologue and sketch writers. “Our day is a series
of deadlines for turning in what we term "batches" of jokes (because we're
Keebler Elves) and meetings with our team and Conan to winnow down the joke-
herd,” said Rob Kutner, a monologue writer at the show. On the sketch side,
the ideas can be so last minute that "by 11 o'clock, there's a few ideas,"
said writer/director Scott Gairdner. "Writers are dispatched to work on some
of those ideas, and hopefully you have some version of it somehow
miraculously together by 1:30, when the rehearsal starts."

It’s a very different style at ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live. “Every writer is
responsible for writing monologue jokes,” McNearney said, adding that, “
most nights, each writer usually has an assignment for a celebrity guest
coming on the show who wants to do a comedy bit [...] I would say Jimmy
Kimmel Live is known in the industry for putting together really smart,
funny pieces for their guests.” That show also employs four Clip
Researchers, who’s sole job is to watch TV and pull clips.

Over at Comedy Central, The Daily Show writers are responsible for
monitoring their relevant television channels. “When you’re not working on
a particular assignment, you’re watching the news and looking on the
internet for stories to pitch, or angles to pitch on stories on larger news
stories,” said Kalan. “So we all know that there is a government shut down
happening right now, so you wouldn’t write a pitch that was like, ‘Hey,
we should write about the government shut down!’ But if you came up of an
angle for it, you would pitch it.” And each show’s focus determines the
basic research; at MTV’s pop culture heavy Nikki and Sara Live, says writer
Emmy Blotnick, “we meet in the morning to talk about whatever things Miley
Cyrus has dry humped, and then we usually break off and start putting
scripts together for different parts of the show.”
And writing for a regular television show is not quite as free-wheeling as
many imagine. “Working here as a writer is not everybody sitting in one
room and tossing out crazy ideas at each other,” Kalan said. “I think
there’s this feeling that comedy writing works the same way that it did
during The Show of Shows, where they where just sitting in a room acting out
characters and making stuff up.” Gairdner agreed. “I think a lot of
people would be surprised at how much it is less sitting in a room and
joking and figuring out ideas and more sending out emails, telling people
how big the green screen needs to be and that kind of thing.” The biggest
misconception, according to The Daily show’s Zhubin Parang, is “probably
the 30 Rock-suggested idea that we're all schlumpy early-20 slackers who pee
in jars. Most of us are married, and we're generally all social, put-
together people. I've got a plant on my desk and everything.”

Inevitably, working long hours on comedy will change a writer’s perspective
on the genre. “I'm a tougher comedy audience – some might say ‘a dick’,
” said Kutner. “You see and hear so many types and just so MUCH funny all
day long, it takes something just way more insane to really tickle me. And
because of the factory-like nature of what we do, I've usually had my fill
of comedy by days' end.”
But churning out material at such a rate invariably improves its quality in
the long run. “The more you write, especially the more you write comedy,
the less it becomes like this mysterious process that you’re trying to
capture,” Kalan said. “After years of doing it professionally, instead of
staring at it and hoping for some inspiration, it becomes much more of a
systematic process than, ‘Oh well. I guess I’ll sit here until the back of
my brain thinks of something and tells me what it is.’”

“The big thing I've learned is the importance of hard jokes,” said Parang.
“I think in improv and sketch comedy, especially the kind done around New
York, there's a tendency to be intellectual and absurd, which plays well
with the hard-core comedy audiences here (including me), but TV moves way
too fast for that. You need to hit jokes hard and often, and not just trust
that a general comedic concept will be enough to power a segment.”

“I got my start making videos on YouTube,” said Gairdner, who works
primarily on video sketches for Conan. “My speed was approximately one
three-minute video every two months, because I would agonize over every
choice. But now, having made a lot of things for YouTube and a lot of things
for Conan, I've started to get a better perspective on what are the
important fights to fight and what things to let go.”
Although late night talk shows are are amongst the oldest, and in many ways,
most stable formats on television, they have have also had to adapt swiftly
to the new media landscape. For one thing, late night shows no longer exist
exclusively in their time slots. "12:30 late night is not a 12:30 show
anymore,” former Late Night with Jimmy Fallon writer Anthony Jeselnik told
Splitsider last year. “It’s a 24-hour show now, because everything is
online the next day.” And shows now must contend with more competition on
television and the Internet. “I'm envious of people who got to work on
these shows 20 years ago, when there were a quarter as many of these shows,
and there weren't all of these websites too, because you're just constantly
competing against other shows and them getting to the idea first,” said
Gairdner. “Topicality and the shelf life of parody targets is getting
slimmer and slimmer because there a thousand of these shows, all waiting to
jump on something and parody it.”
For many writers, that breakneck schedule is both the best and worst part of
the gig. "It is a real grind, but every day is a new day," said McNearney.
"Your successes are short lived, but then so are your failures. So you can
have a great bit on the show and you can really enjoy it for about an hour
and then you have to start thinking about tomorrow's show. But if you didn't
do that well, that's also short lived and you have the next day to prove
yourself."

"Every job is a job and it stops being magical after a moment," said Kalan.
"And you have to remind yourself like, no, this is really amazing. Things
that seem magical or impossible to you become mundane reality. You lose
perspective and you get lost in the non-amazing parts of things and you
forget how amazing comedy is or how lucky anyone who gets to do it is."

Elise Czajkowski is an Associate Editor at Splitsider. She promises to start
tweeting more.
Photo via Getty.
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GTI 发表于 2013-10-31 22:17
完全不能接受双筒转的这篇文章!作者已经萎缩到不能再萎缩了
按照这个逻辑,可以把所有老人都杀了,就不 ...

一方面是小孩把饼啃成枪形状就要受惩罚,一方面是诱导小孩说这种暴力和种族仇恨的话。我觉得用心很险恶!

这句话说得很精辟!
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本帖最后由 Qingshi 于 2013-11-1 06:44 编辑

我当时看了这个,也觉得红字的部分非常让人思考。 居安思危,有些危险,其实离我们或我们的子孙并不遥远。
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双筒 发表于 2013-10-31 22:48
中文里管侵略者叫“鬼子”,管帮助侵略者的叫“汉奸”,您说作为一个美国人,在美国的国土上,您选哪个? ...

关于中美开战,美籍中国人到底该帮谁这个话题已经做死了,这里就不要再讨论了吧。

同时说一下,“汉奸”直译是“汉民族里的奸人”。忘了华人根本的才称得上是汉奸的。
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kk58 发表于 2013-10-31 21:18
NCL枪友,再次提醒一次,讨论问题不针对个人。每个人都有发表自己观点的权利和自由,不管你赞同还是不赞同 ...

你太逗了,对事不对人是有前提的
与狐谋皮的时候,你不妨告诉狐狸一定要对事不对人
前面有版友举的南京大屠杀时几个日本兵杀掉几千中国人的例子也很说明问题,你不妨去看看,他们充分做到了对事不对人

何况什么事后面都有人
这次的事件为什么要揪着JK,来个北美大讨论不好吗
版上的讨论里,什么人说什么话大家都是看在眼里的
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happydad 发表于 2013-10-31 22:53
不要激动,激动你就上套了。

好,谢谢
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Cyberx1911 发表于 2013-10-31 21:24
转自http://www.qiangyou.org/bbs/foru ... =6710&extra=&page=1, 15楼。

ZT http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/ ...

扬州十日,嘉定三屠,民国军阀混战时期的大批池鱼这些国内根本不讲,也就南京说一说,更多也是形式主义,引导仇恨,但根本没有具体内容
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7seven 发表于 2013-10-31 21:58
你入籍美国,效忠美国无可厚非,应该的。在可以预见的将来,中国没有能力,也没有意愿主动消灭美国。
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说得好,这点我没考虑到,但这个路数土共做得轻车熟路,libertards那个尿性,估计也差的不远。这不是已经开始对医生开刀了么
When You're Up To Your Nose In Shit, Keep Your Mouth Shut. -Jack Beauregard
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