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[猎闻杂谈] 大家对这个杀狮子的牙医怎么看?

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发表于 2015-7-29 07:58 | 显示全部楼层
The dentist Walter Palmer, who baited and killed that lion Cecil for sport, deserves to lose everything he holds dear. Let's start with his career. I'm not against hunting for pest control, but what he did was poaching in both the act itself and the intent behind those actions. Let's take a close look at this case: Mr. Palmer has killed a collared and the most revered national icon of an entire nation, which relies greatly on its eco-tourism. Why shouldn't he be held accountable for his action? He shot the lion within crossbow distance, so we all know how close he was to the animal when he took the first shot. how did he not notice the animal was collared? Even if he didn't, baiting an animal to an area without a lion quota was a clear violation of the laws, according to Zimbabwe authority. After tracking the animal for 40 hours and finally killed him, he attempted to hide the evidence and failed to report that the animal was collared. For an experienced trophy hunter, he should have notified the authority and come out with a better legal position; instead, he was exposed only after the animal's carcass has been found with his head chopped off after several days in the wild.

As long as there are unscrupulous trophy hunters who will stop at nothing for the thrill of killing in this world, there will always be demand for a black market of poaching in the grey legal zone of those African countries. To kill that market, it takes international effort to enforce the anti-poaching laws from the very bottom, starting with this fucker. He has brought shame to the whole hunting community. I'm glad to see he's paying for his despicable crime.
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发表于 2015-7-29 08:46 | 显示全部楼层
rc256 发表于 2015-7-29 08:17
You have some good points. But I would not draw the conclusion that fast yet. When you hunt in a f ...

Well, it really doesn't matter anymore, considering he's already lost his business and his reputation, possibly his financial standing and freedom soon. He earned himself the title of the Most Hated American Alive the moment he took that shot. I'm sure he'll find a good team of lawyers just like Mr. Simpson did, but it won't matter that much in the age of social media. By the way, as you may have pointed out, this isn't the first time this guy got caught poaching; and even worse, this isn't the first time he got caught lying in court about his poaching.

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发表于 2015-7-29 09:18 | 显示全部楼层
rc256 发表于 2015-7-29 09:13
Maybe I should delete all my hunting blog.

No, this is the place to post them. But Facebook is clearly not. I don't post any gun related comments or pictures on my profile there.

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longlive 发表于 2015-7-29 08:52
这其实是很恐怖的事情,如果互联网上的人认为你有罪,你就doomed 了。以前文革贴大字报和这个的效率差太远 ...

What he did was wrong, namely poaching and destroying evidence. The public opinion is a mere reflection to the gravity of his crime this time. Imagine this guy travelled to China and bribed his way to hunt down a giant panda, while claiming he had no idea that panda hunting were illegal there and he trusted his "local guides", wouldn't you feel pretty pissed about having your national icon getting murdered under your nose while the offending party claims lack of willful knowledge and legal cognizance? Same thing with the international sentiment here, especially for the Zimbabweans. What he did was wrong based on the facts that have surfaced already. Justice hasn't been served yet, but judgment has.

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Commissar 发表于 2015-7-29 09:37
I doubt he's lost his business. Social media are known to have a very short attention span. It is  ...

Sadly it's true. Social media has the attention span of a gold fish. However, I'm not sure whether the Board will allow him to retain his medical license if he were charged and found guilty for the violation of international laws. A man as rich as him could still bankrupt himself in a course of extended legal troubles. We will see. A hunter who holds no moral regards to local/international laws and ethical standards will cause tremendous collateral damage to the sustainable hunting conservation programs over there. People who sympathize him may find it hard at first, but to keep those conservation hunting programs alive and profitable for the local community, any form of poaching activity has to be stopped and punished with the help of international effort. One bad apple like this fucker could potentially ruin the reputation of those programs in the eyes of the public.
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发表于 2015-7-30 00:20 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Hohenstaufenz 于 2015-7-30 01:34 编辑

此人也许有罪,也许是被欺骗, 也许是故意让自己被人欺骗,who knows? 这在法律眼中都不如事实证据更为有力。各位拥枪者都应该心里清楚,we take responsibility for the shots we make. 一旦你扣动了扳机,那么你我就要为那颗子弹而负责,不管是在自卫中误杀他人,还是在打猎中误杀受保护的动物,或许是枪支走火而造成他人的财产损失。Palmer 此案关键要点在于他的行为是否构成偷猎。那咱们来瞧瞧:1)他的狩猎团队在当时、当地是否拥有合法的猎狮permit? 2)当事人此前是否有偷猎的前科?3)此人作为此次狩猎的客户也是employer, 有无责任在狩猎之前确保各类法律文件的合法性和时效性,并且了解狩猎区域是否存在lion quota?

至于一些朋友感觉”不走到狮子旁边扒开毛,你是看不到项圈的“ 那给狮子剥皮砍头的时候也不会错过,除非是有意摧毁证据并在法庭上撒谎,而谎造现场、摧毁证据之事已经不是Palmer 第一次这么干了。不管他杀的是不是一个国家的national icon, 只要他无证猎狮,就已经构成偷猎,除非是Palmer 可以证明自己被这头狮子跟踪尾随几十公里,在不得已的情况下自卫还击才将其杀死。Sound ridiculous? I bet some people will jump on that wagon without hesitation. 先不提他的这一颗子弹给津巴布韦的eco-tourism 带来了多大的打击,也不提他的偷猎行为使得原本合法的狩猎保护项目受到多少不必要的国际压力,他涉嫌偷猎就应该为自己的行为而负责。否则还要法律干什么?

你我可以控诉网络暴民的街头正义,正如在Michael Brown 案件中那样,但此案与上回受到全国媒体采访的猎犀牛的哥们所不同的是:Palmer 从他bating 的路线选择到其”误杀“狮子以后逃回国内并在被曝光之前选择沉默,都从很多角度反映了他犯罪的动机和行为;而德州猎犀牛的Mr. Kownlton 走的是合法程序,从法律角度和环保角度来看都无可非议。这就好比是你路上撞了人,不管是不是你的责任,一旦你逃离现场,那么你就不要再指望自己在法律的眼中是innocent了。

I am a liberal in some social issues and I am proud of it. I love guns and nature, and I believe they could co-exist within the current framework of laws. I support hunting both as a tradition and an alternative to facilitate conservation. However, I hold no respect to people who don't respect the laws, or even worse, ones who knowingly exploit laws to further their personal greed, be it Wall Street suckers or poachers like this Walter Palmer.
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发表于 2015-8-2 00:08 | 显示全部楼层

Jericho. 津巴布韦应该下力严惩这些poaching motherhugger 了,再不管的话几年下去就没狮子了. It has happened before, and it will happen again. By then it will be too damn late.

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