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[附件选择] 请教一下solvent trap

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X-PGH 发表于 2022-1-26 10:21
栓动 .22LR, 如果用 CCI quiet, or short 基本声响不是很大, 且栓动无 Semi 的 feeding 问题;

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Eley的subsonic加上lever action 长枪管应该没啥声音了
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本帖最后由 StarFox000 于 2022-1-26 14:13 编辑
HKmaniac 发表于 2022-1-26 04:49
你要不仔细看看那个video,13分17秒的地方?

是Purple Power清洁液照成的腐蚀

Purple Power官网的FAQ说不要把Purple Power用在铝或不锈钢
在公布结果时能看到有些零件出现white streaks或hazy films

Can Purple Power be used on Stainless Steel and Aluminum?
Do not use Purple Power on Stainless Steel or Aluminum as it could leave white streaks or a hazy film. If accidentally used on Stainless Steel or Aluminum and you have this residue, try buffing with a Metal Polish, such as Wenols or Mothers Metal Polish to restore finish.
https://www.clean-rite.com/faq
我还真找到一个倒霉蛋把铝制消音器泡在Purple Power清洁液 (I wouldn't soak aluminum suppressors in Purple Power (again))
So I left my Thompson SG sitting in a ziplock with an inch or so of Purple Power cleaner/degreaser at the bottom of it (sprayed it to see what would happen to the carbon) for about two days and not only did it remove the Duracoat finish, but nuked the type III anodizing (looks like a splash anno'd paintball gun now) under the Duracoat and seriously eroded/etched/corroded the part that was actually soaking in the liquid. My own fault, it clearly warns of use on paint and aluminum on the bottle. Since the SG is so thick, no harm done, but I am betting that if I soaked my mite in there, it would be trashed.
It was an easy way to get the duracoat off though. Not one I'd recommend, but still. YMMV, but I wouldn't soak it. This was my first time using Purple Power, and it is an impressive cleaner/degreaser I must say.




As promised, here's pics. First one you can see the pitting. I scrubbed off the duracoat with a scotchbright. Took very little effort.
https://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90648

2012年的实验中silencershop使用了Hornady One Shot Sonic Clean Solution而不是腐蚀性的Purple Power清洁液
We learned later that putting a finished part into a sonic cleaner is not a great idea!Our second experiment was much like the first in that we simply pulled apart an AAC Ti-RANT 9 and threw it in the sonic cleaner for 45 minutes.  

This time around, we started to see some minor damage to the finish - so we decided it would be a good idea to limit the time that finished parts spend in the sonic cleaner.  Unfortunately, the lesson we should have learned was to leave the finished parts completely out!
This time around, we started to see some minor damage to the finish - so we decided it would be a good idea to limit the time that finished parts spend in the sonic cleaner.  Unfortunately, the lesson we should have learned was to leave the finished parts completely out!Our third test was the first time we really started to see good cleaning results.  This time we used an AAC Element and followed these steps:
  • Put only the internal baffles into the sonic cleaner for 15 minutes.
  • Pulled them out and gently scrubbed them using a copper brush - the carbon pieces flecked off far easier than normal so we only spent a couple of minutes and didn't worry about getting it perfect.
  • Put the baffles back into the sonic cleaner together with the tube for an additional 15 minutes.
  • After the second 15 minute run, the remaining build-up fell off easily and they looked great!  Literally, the baffles looked like new!
Unfortunately, although we only put the tube in for 15 minutes, it didn't fare well at all.This is the kind of thing that would make you sick if you had just spent the time and money to procure a nice new suppressor; so, once again, I advise you to leave the finished parts completely out of the sonic cleaner!Regardless of the damage to the Element finish, we continued with our experiments since we were impressed with how clean the baffles were coming out.  Since we have heard so much about how aluminum parts  may or may not be damaged in a sonic cleaner, we decided to give that a try using a, fully aluminum, Tactical Innovations Stratus suppressor. Since the Hornady gun cleaning solution is supposed to be safe for aluminum parts, we didn't anticipate any problems - but we hadn't anticipated the finish coming off either... Fortunately, the Stratus came out as clean as the Element - and with no pitting or other damage to the aluminum baffles.  I'm not going to guarantee anything; but, we're not going to worry about aluminum baffles going into the sonic cleaner. Overall, I think this is a great tool for cleaning the baffles from take-apart cans since they come out perfectly clean with a minimum of effort. It is unfortunate that the finish can be damaged so easily since that makes it impossible to just throw a sealed can into the sonic cleaner every few thousand rounds.  For sealed cans, I think we'll just stick with soaking in solvent and rinsing them out.                    
https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/sonic-cleaners-suppressors
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HKmaniac 发表于 2022-1-26 08:50
只要不用太狠的solvent,铝的大概率没事,钛合金的肯定更抗造,除非sico用的grade太次自己都没信心 ...

一般都是6061
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HKmaniac 发表于 2022-1-26 08:58
Piston用的多的有2618和4032,再加上alusil的涂层有的好点的再加ceramic coating。至于抗corrosion的能力 ...

ceramic coating? 是保护车漆那种吗?那玩意不怕高温?
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Hetzer 发表于 2022-1-26 10:23
看了一下我的TBAC takedown 22是17-4 baffle,完全不担心了

Rugged的同材料baffle建议用purple powe ...

tbac和switchback,mask之类比较流行的都是钢的芯,除了几个很便宜的,比如SiCo最近bogo送的那个,还有那谁新出的mustang那几个为了轻便用了铝芯,不过铝的一般都更便宜些。俺现在的问题是,依然都是纸上谈兵,最早的一个10个多月了(从购买时间算11个月了),还没消息
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X-PGH 发表于 2022-1-26 10:09
个人观点 - 任何枪口装置, 包括 Silencer - 上在 .22LR 上, 都是 "自找麻烦" - 清理起 Lead Deposits 来,  ...

chamber里面也会更脏,这个没办法的。
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X-PGH 发表于 2022-1-26 14:21
栓动 .22LR, 如果用 CCI quiet, or short 基本声响不是很大, 且栓动无 Semi 的 feeding 问题;

...

还是有区别,我cz452的26寸管+亚音弹,也就是跟消+mini mag差不多还要略大一点声音。
上次打CP33用朋友的消,亚音弹基本跟气枪一样,只有钢靶和action的声音
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StarFox000 发表于 2022-1-26 15:34
是Purple Power清洁液照成的腐蚀

Purple Power官网的FAQ说不要把Purple Power用在铝或不锈钢

你写这么多不还是最后印证我前面说的吗,purple power会腐蚀铝制品,并不是ultrasonic cleaner的锅。

无论是purple power还是什么hornady cleaner最终都对finish有损害,这个finish又不是铝,我也没有argue这个point啊。。。


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CiTY_HuNTeR 发表于 2022-1-26 16:08
ceramic coating? 是保护车漆那种吗?那玩意不怕高温?

完全不是一个东西

engine internal coating有点类似cerakote,我用过这两个https://fngprecision.com/engine-components-coating/ 还有https://swaintech.com/race-coatings/


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HKmaniac 发表于 2022-1-26 15:00
你写这么多不还是最后印证我前面说的吗,purple power会腐蚀铝制品,并不是ultrasonic cleaner的锅。

无 ...

我看13分17秒除了解释pitting还有个啥 再说了我也没说只使用ultrasonic加蒸馏水会对铝合金消音器照成质量问题只是对铭刻不友善和掉漆
我啥也不说了 您如同战锤40k里的帝皇引领人类前进并散发光芒让陷入绝望的人类再次燃起希望


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本帖最后由 X-PGH 于 2022-1-26 20:21 编辑

Watch this video - some important legal issue with the trap.
Completed FORM 1 doesn't do any good - because the manufacturer was ilegally made it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae0pZzwxFHg




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X-PGH 发表于 2022-1-26 19:19
Watch this video - some important legal issue with the trap.
Completed FORM 1 doesn't do any good -  ...

多谢了,看完了的确是这样的。虽然我很不同意字母局的做法但是也没有办法。看样子只能去F4买了。。。
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X-PGH 发表于 2022-1-26 21:19
Watch this video - some important legal issue with the trap.
Completed FORM 1 doesn't do any good -  ...

reddit上有人说解释了并出示F1就没事了,但是还是很麻烦就是,他们会按照收缴的厂家销售记录挨个寄恐吓信
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